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Hello and welcome to Real Crime Profile. We're going to be covering real crime.

I'm Jim Clementi, a retired FBI criminal profiler. I was in the FBI for 22 years. Before that, I was a prosecutor in New York City.

I love behavioral analysis. Looking at criminals from a behavioral perspective. With me is...

Laura Richards. Well former New Scotland Yard, you can probably tell from my accent, British, but also trained by the FBI and worked at the behavioral analysis.

I worked at the behavioral analysis unit at Quantico, which is where I met Jim. My expertise is around crime analysis and profiling.

I have a specific expertise around homicide, but domestic violence and stalking. My background is in forensic and legal psychology.

The behavioral perspective is a very important lens that we look through when we're looking at crimes, looking at offenders and victims and their victimology.

I'm Lisa Zambeady. I am a very fascinated with true crime. I'm extremely fascinated by those who solve those crimes. That's my seat at the table here with these two fine people.

Today, this is our first podcast. We're here to talk about something that is swept the nation over the holidays. I know that's when I got into it. I don't know about you guys, but it's the Netflix documentary making a murderer.

Well, first of all, just to recap what that show making a murderer was. It was a documentary that covered basically the life and crimes.

I'll put that in quotation marks of Stephen Avery. He was falsely convicted of an assault and rape on a beach. He actually spent almost 18 years in prison and then DNA exonerated him.

Not just got him out, but actually exonerated him. They knew actually who had raped her. In fact, that guy had confessed to the crime when Stephen Avery was only in jail for about a year.

So 17 years later, he was freed from it. So it's quite a miscarriage of justice, whether that was delivered or not. We'll talk about it in a few minutes.

But then when he was released from prison after being exonerated, he was then shortly thereafter arrested for murder.

The murder of Teresa Hallbach. And although we'll focus on the Avery's and the Dazsies of this case, Lauren, I both want to make sure that everyone knows everybody who's listening knows that we are here because of Teresa Hallbach.

We're going to try to give you the benefit of our experience investigating and analyzing behavior so that you can understand it and hopefully protect yourselves and your families and your loved ones.

So Jim, when did you, when did it first get into your consciousness about this documentary?

Having in Los Angeles, there's both billboards all over the place advertising this show. And so I saw making murder. Actually, somebody had told me about that it was coming out soon and that I would really like it.

So I was very busy and didn't really get to it till maybe two weeks after it actually first aired. And a friend of mine, basically at 10 o'clock at night, texted me, Jim, we got about eight people sitting around watching this documentary.

I mean it yet. And I'm like, no, I haven't. He said, you got to watch it. Just watch the first episode. So I went in at 10 o'clock at night and started watching the first episode. Well, I turned it off at 430 in the morning. I was addicted.

And I'll tell you, at the same time, tugged at my heartstrings and pissed me off. And it really asked a lot of questions. It opened up a tremendous number of questions. And I wanted to know more.

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