Welcome to the show. I'm Jordan Harbinger. As always, I'm here with producer Jason DeFilippo.

On the Jordan Harbinger show, we decode the stories, secrets, and skills of the world's

most brilliant and interesting people and turn their wisdom into practical advice that

you can use to impact your own life and those around you.

And today, I have been waiting, it's fair to say I've been waiting 10 years for this

interview.

Frank W. Abignell is a security and anti-fraud consultant for over 50 years now.

He, at one point, was one of the world's most famous con men starting at age 16.

He was caught when he was 21. He traveled the world forging, printing, what have you,

$2.5 million more than that in checks. He impersonated a Pan Am co-pilot, which allowed

him to travel for free. He also impersonated a Harvard lawyer, a resident doctor at a local

hospital, a Columbia educated professor, and the FBI finally caught up with him in France.

And they asked if he'd basically come and work for them because he had figured out so

many holes in so many systems. He actually today designs many of the secure checks banks

and companies used today. And today, Jason, we've got some amazing stories. I mean, we're

going to hear all about him impersonating pilots, how that worked, how the check fraud

game worked, how he impersonated a doctor, how he ended up impersonating a lawyer and

working at the District Attorney's office. No less. So it is this guy. He is full of

stories. He's been fighting crime and fraud for five decades now almost. So this is just

one of the most amazing episodes that I've had recently. I really, it's really a joy

to have Frank W. Abignail here today. If you want to know how we manage the book, all

these great people and manage relationships, well, we use systems, we use tiny habits.

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