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this is the Friends of History debatingating Society. I'm John Bachelor.

Michael Jan, at Michael Jan joins me. He is in the capital of a Central American state that is

troubled Honduras. And we're also joined by Anthony Rubin muckraker.com to comment on what he's

learned these last weeks about migration through the Panama-Darian Gap corridor.

What is fascinating is there is suggestion here that something's very organized,

something that we have not seen for the last three years.

Michael, I begin with you. In 2021, you followed the trails to the Darien Gap, and were there for weeks camped out in the one

hacienda at the end of the gap in the beginning of the Pan American highway with the

beautiful tropical birds in the triple canopy jungle.

And you were watching very carefully who was coming through.

There were lots of people from Haiti, lots of people from Cuba,

people from the Middle East, people from the

Indo-Pacific. Do you recall, did you see Chinese nationals in those weeks you were

there, Michael? Good evening. Good evening. Yeah, that was, yeah, I spent months at a time down there, sometimes weeks,

sometimes months, and back then, you know, I've got some of the cop,

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