Hello and welcome to another episode of the Mark Gross podcast.

You know, we haven't really dove super deep into relationship to body and food.

And for me, that's a subject that really hits close to home in that I've always had a very

interesting relationship with my body and to food.

And I, you know, as you sort of play whack, mole, or pick off the challenges or, let's say,

disfunctions that we have, you sort of see the same patterns and behaviors showing up in other things.

I remember being at the spiritual retreat in January and hearing a woman ask a question.

You know, she said, I'm sober now. I, you know, I don't drink. And I just, I don't know how to get more clear. I don't drink and I just, I don't know how to get more clear.

I don't know what I need to do.

And I remember the teacher, Gangaji, said, get more sober.

Get sober from everything that pulls you away from who you are.

And that really resonated for me.

It was, you know, to look at the things that pull us away, that soothe, uncomfortable

feelings that distract us.

That's why it can be so simply your phone.

And for me, you know, it's coffee, it's sugar.

And you sort of feel a heaviness to the world, the reality of the

world, and sometimes the reality of our own emotional states, often, because we've been avoiding

those feelings through these different mechanisms that are put in place to make us not feel so much.

Because, you know, in a lot of ways, feeling especially sad, grief, anger, all those things, sadness,

we are taught our bad and that they're negative emotions rather than emotions are information. And if we turn away from

these alarm bells, these pieces of information, we go deeper into them because we're not listening

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