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Hello and welcome to the American Birding podcast from the American Birding Association.

I am your host, Nate Swick.

Like many of you, my computer interactions have been inundated lately with the news that colossal biosciences has claimed

to have de-extinctioned. The dire wolf applies to seeing ericinated from North America that went

extinct approximately 12,000 years ago. What does this have to do with birds? Well, this is the same

company that has in the past claimed that they would bring back the dodo.

Another de-extinction, I guess, company in this space has claimed the passenger pigeon. So I feel like bird people have a little bit of skin in the game, as it were, with these discussions.

I know that we've talked about the dodo and the passenger pigeon stuff on a previous

episode of this podcast. I think it was at this month and burning sometime in the last couple years.

Sometimes those all run together for me. But anyway, I've watched all of this with no small

amount of dismay, I suppose. I know there's a lot more concerning stuff out there, but I've

always found the media

uproar that surrounds this company when they make one of these announcements to be really

annoying, because this is not a dire wolf, which is, as currently understood, a unique

caned lineage that is not especially closely related to the gray wolf. The extent to which

they are similar is a result of convergent evolution. We birders are very familiar with all that.

Gray wolf is an old world species that came to North America across the Bering Sea less than

one million years ago. Dyer Wolf had been there for a very long time before Gray Wolf was even

here.

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