What's up, everyone?

This is Cortland from IndieHackers.com, and you're listening to the IndieHackers podcast.

On this show, I talked to the founders of profitable internet businesses,

and I try to get a sense of what it's like to be in their shoes.

How do they get to where they are today?

How do they make decisions at their companies and in their personal lives? And what exactly makes their businesses tick? And the goal here, as always, is so that the rest of us can learn from their examples and go on to build our own successful businesses. In today's episode, I have the pleasure of speaking with AJ Goal. AJ is a serial entrepreneur. He's a software developer who's been building online businesses at the early 2000s.

And today he's spending most of his time. Jay Goal. AJ is a serial entrepreneur. He's a software developer who's been building online

businesses at the early 2000s. And today he's spending most of his time working on a product

called G-MAS. AJ, welcome to the show and thanks for joining me.

Thanks, Cortland. I'm super excited to be here. I'm excited to have you. So tell us a little bit

about G-MAS, AJ. What exactly does it do, and why do people use it?

G-Mass is a plugin for your Gmail account, and what it lets you do is it lets you send email campaigns directly from inside your Gmail account.

So most people have heard of MailChimp. MailChimp is the ubiquitous name in

email marketing. So if you know what MailChimp does, we provide that functionality inside Gmail.

Okay. Let's say you don't know what MailChimp does. What exactly is an email campaign? Why do you

need any sort of special tool to help you send emails rather than just Gmail itself? Right, because when you're

sending an email to a friend or to a coworker, that's easy to do. You just type up a message and

you hit send. But anytime you get into sending a higher volume of email, that gets a little

trickier because most consumer email systems like Gmail or Yahoo Mail or Outlook.com or

or Live.com aren't equipped to handle a large send from one single user where multiple

emails are going out simultaneously. So some extra software is needed when you're sending out

thousands of emails as opposed to one email at a time. Yeah, and I've seen people run into this limit, unsuspectingly, where they're like, hey, I've got an email list now. I just want to send, you know, 200 emails through my Gmail account. And then Gmail's like, you can't do that. And sometimes people are pretty surprised to see that that's not actually the case. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. So you actually might be able to get away with 200 emails

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