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Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy

055: Interpersonal Model (Part 2) — "And It's All Your Fault!" Three Basic Assumptions

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy

David Burns, MD

Clinical, Therapy, Anxiety, Psychotherapy, Depression, Health & Fitness, Cognitive, Mentalhealth, Mental Health, Behavior, Education, Self-improvement, Psychology, Relationships, Addiction, Happiness, Personalgrowth

4.4856 Ratings

🗓️ 2 October 2017

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

David describes the three assumptions of the Interpersonal TEAM Therapy:

  1. We cause the very relationship problems we are complaining about, but don’t realize this, so we blame the other person and feel like victims of his or her“badness.” David describes a man who endlessly complained about his wife during therapy sessions--she didn't like having sex with him, she spend money behind his back, and never bragged about him when they were out to dinner with friends. He had even taken notes for years on all the “bad” things his wife had been doing every day throughout their marriage, but overlooked the many hurtful and self-centered things he was doing to break her heart every single day.
  2. We do not want to have to look at our own role in any relationship conflict because it is too painful to have to confront our “shadow,” to use a Jungian concept, and because we want to do our dirty work in the dark. So we will deny our role and angrily punish anyone who tries to shed light on our role in the problem. David describes a severely depressed woman who complained that she was the victim of "loneliness in marriage," a concept she'd just read about in a popular women's magazine. She explained that her husband would not and could not express his feelings, and felt that he was to blame for their marital problems as well as the severe depression and loneliness she’d been struggling with for 25 years. And yet, in a therapy session when he tried to express his feelings, she exploded angrily and told him to shut the F__ up! When Doctor Burns asked her to reflect on what had happened in the session with her husband, she angrily threatened to fire him if he ever brought up the topic again!
  3. The first two principles paint a dark picture of human nature. The third principle is more optimistic—namely, that we have far more power to heal a troubled relationship than we realize, and this can often happen quickly, but there’s a stiff price to be paid.  First, we have to be willing to stop blaming the other person so we can examine and pinpoint our own role in the conflict. Second, we have to focus all of our energy on changing ourselves, rather than trying to change the other person. This can be extremely liberating and joyful, but it involves the exceedingly painful death of the ego. The Buddhists have called this type of enlightenment “the Great Death.’

In the next podcast, David and Fabrice will show you how to transform your own troubled relationships into loving ones--if that's what you want to do!

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Feeling Good podcast.

0:12.4

I am your host, Fabrice Knight.

0:14.7

And joining me here in the Murrieta Studios is Dr. David Burns.

0:19.0

Hi, David.

0:20.0

Hi, Fabrice.

0:23.8

Dr. David Burns has been a pioneer in the development of cognitive therapy, and he is the creator of the new team therapy. He is the author of

0:30.2

Feeling Good, which has sold over 5 million copies in the United States, and has been translated into

0:35.5

over 20 languages. He is an emeritus adjunct clinical professor of psychiatry at the Stanford University School

0:43.0

of Medicine.

0:44.5

Welcome to episode 55 of the Feeling Good podcast.

0:49.1

We're going to continue on the interpersonal model.

0:54.0

And last week we left people kind of in a cliffhanger on how do we deal with this ambivalence

1:01.9

between the desire for love and the loving relationship and the desire for power.

1:08.3

At least that's what I called it.

1:14.6

So you're going to tell us today about the three premises for the team interpersonal model, right? Yes, absolutely. And it's really fun doing

1:20.8

this with you, Fabrice. I really appreciate the opportunity and thank you all for listening. When I saw that my own cognitive

1:32.1

approach was not effective for troubled couples and then I began going to workshops all around the

1:39.5

country and people would say, oh, here's how you get the love you need, and here's how you develop loving relationships.

1:46.8

And I would try all of these behavioral techniques and cognitive techniques and interpersonal techniques.

1:51.4

And I was just having a 0%.

1:54.6

And meanwhile, the research was 0% success,

1:58.1

and the research was also showing that these techniques are not

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