048 Did Tithing Replace Consecration?

Church History Matters

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🗓️ 30 January 2024

⏱️ 59 minutes

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In the aftermath of the significant 1837 failure of the Church’s banking business in Kirtland, Ohio and the subsequent fallout with several Church leaders—including death threats—Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon fled Ohio to be with Church members in Far West, Missouri. Shortly thereafter, in April 1838, the Lord commanded the saints to build the Far West temple, but charged them not to go into more debt to do so. Church leaders were then already steeped in debts from Kirtland as it was. So in response to Joseph’s prayerful plea in July of that year as to how to fund the various needs of the Church, the Lord revealed what we now know as the law of tithing. In this episode of Church History Matters we discuss several of the fascinating details from this history and grapple with a few fundamental and slightly controversial questions about tithing. For show notes and transcript for this and other episodes go to https://doctrineandcovenantscentral.org/church-history-matters-podcast/

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0:00.0	In the after math of the significant 1837 failure of the Church's banking business in
0:10.9	Kirtland, Ohio, and the subsequent fallout with several church leaders,
0:14.7	including death threats, Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon fled Ohio to be with church members
0:19.9	in Far West Missouri. Shortly thereafter, in April 1838, the Lord commanded the Saints to build
0:26.2	the Far West Temple, but charged them to not go into more debt to do so. Church leaders were then
0:32.1	already steeped in debts from
0:33.6	curtland as it was. So in response to Joseph's prayerful plea in July of that
0:38.7	year as to how to fund the various needs of the church, the Lord revealed what we now know as the law of tithing.
0:46.1	In today's episode of Church History Matters, we discuss several of the fascinating details
0:50.8	from this history and grapple with a few fundamental and
0:54.1	slightly controversial questions about tithing. I'm Scott Woodward and my co-host is
0:59.6	Casey Griffiths and today we dive into our third episode of this series dealing with
1:04.4	consecration and church finance.
1:09.8	Hello Scott? Hey Casey how's it going? Good man. What's the word of the day Casey?
1:17.0	Consecration is the word of the day. But I hope our listeners are gathering that this is a pretty complicated topic and we're doing
1:25.0	the best we can to navigate it, but we also don't have all the answers when it comes to these things.
1:30.1	You and I were arguing right up until the time we turned on the record button I think about some of the things and what it could possibly mean.
1:38.0	I think today we're going to introduce maybe even more controversy, but at this point in the podcast I'm just like hey no big deal.
1:45.4	Yeah so with that introduction and everyone wants to know what are we gonna talk about
1:50.1	today? And I want to emphasize to our listeners Scott Scott and I don't argue. We have discussions. We have discussions. I remember my parents saying that to me. They were like, we're not having an argument, we're having a discussion. We weren't like yelling at each other or anything. We're just
2:03.4	going back and forth. What do you think this means? What what's your
2:06.8	evidence for that and things like that? But it's all very friendly. Just showing
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