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Counselling Tutor

045 – Dialogue in Therapy – Development of the Person-Centred Approach – Choosing a Supervisor

Counselling Tutor

Ken Kelly and Rory Lees-Oakes

Education, Courses

4.6636 Ratings

🗓️ 3 June 2017

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

In episode 45 of the Counselling Tutor Podcast, Rory Lees-Oakes and Ken Kelly talk about how to avoid asking, 'How does that make you feel?' 'Theory with Rory' looks at three key phases in the development of person-centred counselling. Last, the presenters offer tips on finding a suitable counselling supervisor. Dialogue in Therapy (starts at 3.50 mins) 'How does that make you feel?' has become a rather laughable question, often used to parody counsellors on TV etc. But since counselling is all about feelings, how do we avoid asking this stereotypical question? Ken points out that in fact 'How does that make you feel?' distances us from the client, as it suggests we have no idea what emotions they might be experiencing. Listening to a client's story, noticing their body language, using our intuition, and listening out for words that indicate underlying emotion can always enable us to have a go at saying what we think they might be feeling: they can then confirm this, or correct us. Rory talks about the importance of getting the language right when we do this - using words that fit with the client's own understanding and use of language. It's important not to assume that everyone has the same breadth of vocabulary for emotions, and it may be hard for clients to find the right word to explain what they are feeling. As therapists, we can work on expanding our 'feelings vocabulary' by writing a regular journal in which we can work on finding just the right words to describe our experiences. Development of the Person-Centred Approach (starts at 15.03 mins) Since its beginning in the 1950s, person-centred counselling has developed considerably, and continues to do so today. There are many different branches of person-centred therapy, as described in The Tribes of the Person-Centred Nation (edited by Pete Sanders, PCCS books, 2012). However, all would agree on the key tenets of Carl Rogers' approach: the six necessary and sufficient conditions for therapeutic personality change the seven stages of process (though some therapists believe these to be less linear than Rogers suggested) phenomenology the 19 propositions Because Rogers did not prescribe any particular template, there are as many different styles of person-centred therapy as there are therapists themselves: we are all different, and it is important in this modality to be ourselves. Rory describes three key stages in the development of person-centred counselling  over its first 30-40 years: The first phase (1940-1950), when Carl Rogers first introduced his ideas, could be termed 'non-directive psychotherapy'. This represented a big challenge to the two types of therapy that prevailed at that time, psychoanalysis and behaviourism, which were used to telling clients how they were and what they should do. In contrast, non-directive psychotherapists listened to and sought to understand the client's experience. In the second phase (1950-1957), 'reflective psychotherapy' (so-called as the therapist reflected the client's feelings - the focus was on avoiding threat in the therapeutic relationship, by being congruent and real. This represented another step away from psychoanalysis and behaviourism. The third phase (1957-1970) is known as 'experiential psychotherapy'; it involved therapists becoming even more congruent in terms of expressing to clients how they were experiencing them. This can be a really useful form of feedback for clients on their process. This evolved into focusing, as developed by Eugene Gendlin, one of Rogers' students. Rory has prepared a handout on this topic, which you can download free of charge. Choosing a Supervisor (starts at 24.45 mins) Ken and Rory provide tips on what to think about when choosing a counselling supervisor: Check that the supervisor has sound knowledge and experience of your modality. Choose carefully, as it's not easy to change part-way through trainin...

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Counseling Tudor Podcast.

0:04.4

The must listen to podcast for students of counseling and psychotherapy.

0:10.6

Here are your hosts, Rory Lee's Oaks and Ken Kelly.

0:15.8

Hello and welcome to episode 45 of the counseling tutor podcast.

0:25.2

With me, Rory Lee's Oaks, and with me is a man who's always in my frame of reference.

0:26.9

Mr. Ken Kelly, how are you, Ken?

0:28.5

Oh, exceptionally well.

0:30.1

Thank you for asking Rory.

0:31.6

It's great to be here.

0:36.9

We've got a really value-packed episode here today, kicking off episode 45 of the counselling tutor podcast, looking at dialogue

0:39.6

in therapy, Rory. What do we say in therapy? Can we just repeat over and over again?

0:46.1

Oh, how does that make you feel? Yeah, the old cliches. And I'm very grateful for Sarah Bauer, who's brought this up in our

0:57.2

Facebook page. And if you don't know about our Facebook page, if you type in Facebook Counseling

1:03.1

Tutor, there's two else in counseling. We spell it the English, British, UK way. And you'll find

1:08.6

our community of over 7,000 people interested in the world of

1:12.9

counselling and psychotherapy. And we draw the content from our podcasts, sometimes from the

1:19.3

people who posted. So thank you to Sarah Barron. She said, basically, I'm worried about asking

1:24.3

too often, how does that make you feel? And it's one of those things I often cringe about, Ken, when I see therapists portrayed maybe on the TV or in soaps, where someone sits and looks all kind of ethereal and says, and how does that make you feel? Because, you know, it is a bit of a cliche, isn't it?

1:43.4

It is indeed. So we'll be covering that and then we'll be moving over to Theory with Rory.

1:47.7

Today, theory with Rory, a really interesting one, because we're going to look at the different periods in person-centered therapy.

1:54.1

And up until quite recently, Rory, I'm okay to say that I didn't realize that there were different periods in the development of person

2:01.8

centered theory when we look to the literature very often we just look to Cole Rogers, his work

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