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Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy

036: Ask David — Empowering the Victim With the Five Secrets

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy

David Burns, MD

Clinical, Therapy, Anxiety, Psychotherapy, Depression, Health & Fitness, Cognitive, Mentalhealth, Mental Health, Behavior, Education, Self-improvement, Psychology, Relationships, Addiction, Happiness, Personalgrowth

4.4856 Ratings

🗓️ 15 May 2017

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

A blog reader made a fairly strong and impassioned comment that sometimes asking the patient to examine ways she or he may be contributing to the problem may be a mistake when the patient really IS a victim, and cautioned against blaming the victim. David’s goal is never to blame patients, but rather to empower you.

David and Fabrice begin by discussing the fact that sometimes people vacillate between other-blame (it’s all his/her fault) and self-blame (it’s all my fault), and emphasize that neither approach is helpful. If you blame the other person, the problem escalates and may turn to violence, but if, instead, you blame yourself, you’ll probably end up feeling worthless, guilty, unlovable, and depressed.

So what’s the solution to this dilemma? Dr. Burns encourages patients to use the Five Secrets of Effective Communication and make a radical change in the way they communicate with others, along the lines of EAR. E stands for Empathy, A stands for Assertiveness, and R stands for Respect. You can examine each of the Five Secrets if you CLICK HERE.

David gives five compelling examples of how to deal with people who REALLY ARE violent and abuse, including a raging psychiatric patient who was threatening the staff and on the verge of exploding, a serial killer who kidnapped a social worker who had attended one of David’s communication workshops, some drunken, abusive teenagers in a huge jeep who threatened David, an insulting, demoralizing, critical boss who put down everyone who worked with him. He includes with the story of a Lutheran minister,  Dietrich Bonhoeffer, who was imprisoned and mistreated by the Nazis during world war two.

This is a controversial topic that David included in the podcasts somewhat reluctantly, so give a listen and tell us what you think! Right now the world seems to be spiraling into greater and greater hostilities. Does David have a point? Or is he way off base?

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Feeling Good podcast.

0:12.4

I am your host, Fabrice Knight.

0:14.7

And joining me here in the Murrieta Studios is Dr. David Burns.

0:19.0

Hi, David.

0:20.0

Hi, Fabrice.

0:23.8

Dr. David Burns has been a pioneer in the development of cognitive therapy, and he is the creator of the new team therapy. He is the author of

0:30.2

Feeling Good, which has sold over 5 million copies in the United States, and has been translated into

0:35.5

over 20 languages. He is an emeritus adjunct clinical professor of psychiatry at the Stanford University School

0:43.0

of Medicine.

0:44.8

This is episode 36 of the Feeling Good Podcast, and today will be another of our Ask David

0:52.7

podcasts.

0:53.8

And David, I wanted to bring up one comment that was

0:58.9

entered by one of your blog readers. This was a comment in a blog post that you titled

1:09.7

Error Number 4, Reverse Relationship Hypnosis,

1:14.6

and where you were writing about how people see themselves as the victim.

1:19.6

And Rosie comments by saying, respectfully, I think it's important to include a disclaimer

1:27.2

when discussing this topic, that it doesn't

1:30.1

not apply to truly abusive relationships.

1:34.2

Encouraging a victim of abuse to examine their own culpability is unethical and dangerous.

1:40.9

And I think that this will resonate with a number of people, probably, especially people who work with victims of domestic violence and such.

1:49.9

So what would you say to this reader?

1:54.7

Well, this comment made me kind of anxious for a number of reasons. It is very politically,

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