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🗓️ 1 May 2017
⏱️ 45 minutes
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Using the Externalization of Voices, which is arguably the most powerful Cognitive Therapy technique ever created, David & Jill continue encouraging mark to challenge his negative thoughts. The goal of the Externalization of Voices is to create genuine and lasting change at the gut level.
Although it is one of the first cognitive Therapy techniques Dr. Burns created, it is rarely used by cognitive therapists in the United States, perhaps because it is so edgy, or perhaps because it is sophisticated and requires a high degree of therapist skill. The Externalization of Voices is often paired with another technique Dr. Burns created called the Acceptance Paradox. The goal of the Acceptance Paradox is a profound and lasting change in the patient’s core beliefs and values, and it sometimes triggers spiritual enlightenment, although it is an entirely secular method.
Jill and David also use the Semantic Method and Re-attribution in this segment, and end with a brief illustration of how Mark might interact differently with his son using the Five Secrets of Effective Communication. David and Jill emphasize that this is the "External Solution," and that up to this point in the session they've been working on the "Internal Solution."
In the next podcast, Jill and David will return to T = Testing to find out how Mark feels at the end of the session, and how he rates Jill and David for Empathy, Helpfulness, and other measures of the therapeutic relationship. At the end of the session, Dr. Burns asks Mark if the change was real, or simply something fake for the purpose of the podcast. At that point, something stunning happens, which turned out to be the highlight of the entire session. So stay tuned!
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0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to the Feeling Good podcast. |
0:12.4 | I am your host, Fabrice Knight. |
0:14.7 | And joining me here in the Murrieta Studios is Dr. David Burns. |
0:19.0 | Hi, David. |
0:20.0 | Hi, Fabrice. |
0:23.8 | Dr. David Burns has been a pioneer in the development of cognitive therapy, and he is the creator of the new team therapy. He is the author of |
0:30.2 | Feeling Good, which has sold over 5 million copies in the United States, and has been translated into |
0:35.5 | over 20 languages. He is an emeritus adjunct clinical professor of psychiatry at the Stanford University School |
0:43.0 | of Medicine. |
0:44.8 | This is episode 34 of the Feeling Good podcast. |
0:49.6 | We are going into the second part of the methods section, the methods phase. And we |
0:58.9 | left our listeners last time expectant with the externalization of voices, which is going to |
1:08.0 | happen today. And we did a few more methods in this segment. |
1:14.0 | So would you want to say a few words about this? |
1:17.0 | Yeah, I'll comment briefly on them. |
1:19.1 | I just want to make a general comment that we've broken the session down into little pieces |
1:24.6 | that are like 30- and 40-minute podcasts podcasts and they're going to be, you know, |
1:29.3 | five or six of them to cover the session. Some people might get the mistaken idea that this |
1:35.3 | therapy was carried out over six or seven or eight weeks or something like that because |
1:40.3 | the podcasts are taking that long. But in point of fact, this is the team CBT is a new approach to therapy, which in my hands, |
1:49.2 | at least, and many of my students, is vastly faster form of therapy than traditional cognitive |
1:55.7 | therapy or almost any type of therapy that's ever been developed. |
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