So when did you meet your wife?

I met Margie, my senior year at BYU.

I was dating Alyssa Hatch, a few other girls.

I knew I had to get married by the time I graduated, so I had about four or five girls.

I was dating in parallel.

And Margie, she ran cross country for BYU.

But what I loved the most about her, I met her in family meeting in our ward, but what

I loved the most about her was her room.

Her room was beautifully decorated.

She had curtains and a beautiful bed spread and candles and it was lit nicely, but most

importantly I looked at her bookshelf and she had books on philosophy and history and

thinking books.

And she was a philosophy minor and an English lit major, all the classics.

And I just fell in love with Margie and her room and her.

And so we got engaged.

And as I graduated from BYU in 1993 we got married in the DC temple and that was the

start of our marriage.

Great.

How would you characterize her position towards the church?

That's really interesting now because that's another reason I'm super grateful.

I knew that I was going to be struggling with things later on in my life.

I just had that instinct.

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