So did you ever come across instances where a man was was pretty successful at keeping

his wives happy and fulfilled and you know in all ways that it was just that it was just

a great experience for everyone involved and then you talked a little bit about that earlier but

the deadly levitt is the you know the positive example I like to use another one that's interesting

is John Taylor who was the apostle who eventually had post-manifestal wives and eventually was

communicated in his son Sam Taylor wrote a biography of him and it's actually almost more a

biography of Sam Taylor's mother who was the wife of John Taylor but it's it's fascinating because

he really admired his father he really loved his father and and he the book isn't an attack on

polygamy and it shows but it shows the problems with it you know at the same time that it shows how

John Taylor loved each one of his wives and loved all his children and it's one of the really

striking things that you get from that book is how despite his his his fascinating you know

flying buoyant lifestyle how much he loved his his kids and how his kids reacted to that

that's another example I guess you could call it positive even though there were you know

financial problems in that in that story also you could say if you're a Mormon in defense of

some of these men you know often they they stopped being able to provide because

Mormonism because polygamy became illegal in the 1870s 1880s 1890s which made it more difficult for

for Mormon men to to provide for their families right so let's let's let's talk about that for a

second let's fast forward to you know whenever the the heat started being applied by the federal

government of polygamy started being you know incarcerated persecuted the church tries to defend

itself I guess in some way but you know all these activities ultimately led to the 1890 manifesto

correct what can you tell us about the dynamics that that led to that monumentous change I

imagine it was an easy decision for were for Woodruff I imagine the Brigham Young was faced with

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