And the last one which is questionable for a name for a perfume, they've called it fish.

With a pH, presumably.

Yes, with a pH. Catch your deepest love.

Who's going to wear fish?

Smashing Security, Episode 12, Oda Eugene Kasperski, with Carol Terry O' and Graham Cluley.

Hello, hello, and welcome to episode 12 of Smashing Security.

As usual, I'm joined by my buddy Coroll Terrio.

Hello, Carol, how are you doing?

I'm very well, thank you. How are you?

I'm gorgeous.

And where are you?

Oh, well, I'm somewhere a little bit unusual.

Maybe it sounds a little bit different as well.

I am in a country I've never been to before. The country of Kuwait, can you believe? Where I'm talking, I've just

given a talk about attacks on industrial control systems. Well, I know that you're very much an

expert on that. Boy, careful.

They won't hire me again.

I'll tell you what's interesting, though, is I've arrived in Kuwait during a sandstorm.

It's my very first sandstorm.

And it's such a bizarre experience looking up in the sky, and it's yellow rather than blue.

And we're having an Assange storm as well.

Is that a pun you've just tried? It's a good one, right? It's morning here, so I'm, you know, I'm full of pep. Oh, it's morning where you are, but it's late night where our special guest is. We are joined all the way from Christchurch, New Zealand, by Nick Fitzgerald, computer security expert. Hello, Nick. Hi, guys.

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