What's up everybody? This is Cortland from EndiHackers.com. And today I've got a very special

guest on the podcast. I'll be talking to Nathan Barry, the founder of ConvertKit, an email

marketing company that he grew from $5,000 a month to over $600,000 a month and about two years.

So he's somebody you're really going to want to listen to.

And he's got a lot of great stuff to say that not many other people will talk about.

For example, he talks about how you should cheat at online business by starting by growing your own personal audience before you even start your business.

He talks about how having a giant competitor

in your space is nothing to be afraid of, and instead talks about how you can use that to your

advantage to grow your business even faster. He also talks about how direct sales are the answer

to pretty much everything, and how content marketing can actually lead you astray. So he's got a lot

of interesting stuff to share that I think

all of us can learn a lot from. And I'm really excited to get into this interview. So without further ado,

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